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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:36:00 -
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Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:44:00 -
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Youknowutimsayin wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya. Why would anyone worry about slow scouts? I guess I'll brick tank one and see what all the fuss is about, but all of my scout fits from Dragonfly to gK.0 are proper shild tanked scouts, as it should be. same ehp as an assault
invisible
cloaked
2 equipment slots
faster
need I go on?
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:15:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya. Why would anyone worry about slow scouts? I guess I'll brick tank one and see what all the fuss is about, but all of my scout fits from Dragonfly to gK.0 are proper shild tanked scouts, as it should be. same ehp as an assault invisible cloaked 2 equipment slots faster need I go on? So its faster and cloaked while having an extra equipment slot like a scout should be Only bad players tank scout suits, if you cant kill them then your bad. it's not about who's good or bad. i'm not telling anyone how to build any suit, i'm stating ACTUAL FACTS.
i personally don't brick tank my scout suits, but the fact is that YOU CAN.
scouts can get the same ehp as assaults. FACT scouts are basically invisible. FACT scouts are faster than assaults. FACT
you should understand how that feels, to have your role outdone by another suit in every way possible. that was the scout life pre 1.8. i f*cking hate brick tanked fotm scouts, but i understand why they are doing it. the assault suit is the new scout suit now, and that is NOT RIGHT, and this is coming from scout.
i'm happy we got our much needed buffs, but in the process, it negatively affected another role. that's why there are so many assault scouts now. not that it's right, because again, i f*cking hate them, but because they are almost at a disadvantage by running assault instead of brick tanked scout.
never thought i'd be defending medium frames.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:01:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:is that YOU CAN.
scouts can get the same ehp as assaults. FALSE scouts are basically invisible. Meh. Use an SMG to find them. scouts are faster than assaults. NO **** SHERLOCK!
Fixed. 1.) pretty sure 1000 ehp is the same as assault.
2.) easier said than done
3.) yes, it is quite obvious. hence why people are using the scout instead of the assault.
I'm not afraid to admit that the scout buff has broken assaults and that is WRONG.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:06:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya. Why would anyone worry about slow scouts? I guess I'll brick tank one and see what all the fuss is about, but all of my scout fits from Dragonfly to gK.0 are proper shild tanked scouts, as it should be. same ehp as an assault invisible cloaked 2 equipment slots faster need I go on? 2 and 3 are redundant, the fourth is false if the 2 and 3 are true, and the fifth is only accurate in 50% of the possible brick fits. Biscuit I'm going to say that you need to go on simply because that post was so awful that you need to redeem yourself. the fourth is true in 100% of the cases. a 1000 ehp scout will always be faster than a 1000 ehp assault.
the post is pretty accurate. it is for the reason I said in the post you quoted that people are running assault scouts. it does everything an assault does plus more, and that's pretty obvious problem. I know how it feels to have my role outdone by another in every way possible, so I don't want any other role to experience it any more than it has to.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:18:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:1.) pretty sure 1000 ehp is the same as assault.
2.) easier said than done
3.) yes, it is quite obvious. hence why people are using the scout instead of the assault.
I'm not afraid to admit that the scout buff has broken assaults and that is WRONG.
If you can't see a scout running toward you, then you really need to use your eyes more than the scanner. I know, I know, it's going to be a tough transition from the "You have been scanned" tell-all days of yore, but seriously, unless a scout is just standing there, cloaked, not moving at all, they're incredibly easy to spot. The shimmer makes then stand out like crazy. Aim your weapon at the shimmer and fire. I know you'll have to use your eyeballs and brain more, but hey, it's a small tradeoff. ok, let me get this straight. i don't have problem with scouts AT ALL. i'm not talking about me, as i've been a scout for a LONG time, way before 1.8. i'm talking about assault players who decided to go fotm brick tank scout.
everything you're saying, i already know and have stated plenty of times before, but that's not what this is about. it's about the fact that there is NOTHING an assault can do that a scout can't do the same, if not better. i'm not understanding what's so hard to understand about this. the assault is still a good suit, but like the scout suit pre 1.8, it is outdone by other suits in every way.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:22:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:is that YOU CAN.
scouts can get the same ehp as assaults. FALSE scouts are basically invisible. Meh. Use an SMG to find them. scouts are faster than assaults. NO **** SHERLOCK!
Fixed. 1.) pretty sure 1000 ehp is the same as assault. 2.) easier said than done 3.) yes, it is quite obvious. hence why people are using the scout instead of the assault. I'm not afraid to admit that the scout buff has broken assaults and that is WRONG. I think some people are getting overly defensive against your posts and are afraid to ask the question 'why would you play 3/4 assaults over a brick tanked scout?'. Assaults need a buff. And maybe scouts need to trade EHP for something ewar related - I think the technical limit on speed has messed up a crucial aspect of differentiating/balancing lights against meds Now I wait to get flamed by people who will assume I'm a med frame because I dared to suggest something is up with scout/assault balance. exactly what's happening to me. they don't realize that this defense of assaults is coming from a long time scout.
i don't understand why people are being so butthurt about my posts when i've stated nothing but facts. i'm not telling anyone how to play, or telling anyone they're good or bad, just stating what is true.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:28:00 -
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byte modal wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Vespasian Andendare wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:1.) pretty sure 1000 ehp is the same as assault.
2.) easier said than done
3.) yes, it is quite obvious. hence why people are using the scout instead of the assault.
I'm not afraid to admit that the scout buff has broken assaults and that is WRONG.
If you can't see a scout running toward you, then you really need to use your eyes more than the scanner. I know, I know, it's going to be a tough transition from the "You have been scanned" tell-all days of yore, but seriously, unless a scout is just standing there, cloaked, not moving at all, they're incredibly easy to spot. The shimmer makes then stand out like crazy. Aim your weapon at the shimmer and fire. I know you'll have to use your eyeballs and brain more, but hey, it's a small tradeoff. ok, let me get this straight. i don't have problem with scouts AT ALL. i'm not talking about me, as i've been a scout for a LONG time, way before 1.8. i'm talking about assault players who decided to go fotm brick tank scout. everything you're saying, i already know and have stated plenty of times before, but that's not what this is about. it's about the fact that there is NOTHING an assault can do that a scout can't do the same, if not better. i'm not understanding what's so hard to understand about this. the assault is still a good suit, but like the scout suit pre 1.8, it is outdone by other suits in every way. Hey, all apologies for my part. I got caught up in the scout = invisible death thing earlier on and I guess your posts were read, at least by me, out of context. I get what you're saying, but I wonder how much of this is simply due to the newness of the new scout slots + the shiny new toy that is the cloak. Right now it's a whole new thing. Assaults may be jumping to scout to test things out and finding they can get the drop on a lot of people much easier than with an assault---currently. What happens when the player base adapts? I play scout so I watch for scout tactics. Keeps me safe, generally at least from scouts. We've been so used to straight up assault AR/AR conflicts that anything different is a huge contrast. So assaults are converting to play a perceived superior assault role, through the scout suit. Players are doing so to either to take part in the advantages that they see or just to screw around with something new. So what comes when some players get tired of it all and decide to spec and gear strictly into scout hunters? Cal scouts turning on cloaked scouts for the challenge may actually bring some balance back. Scouts could be the balancing solution for... well... scouts! Those cloaked scouts may (ya, or may not..sure) get frustrated being sniffed out and revert back to their tried and true method of killing.... including hunting non-cloaking scouts. I just typed scouts a lot =\ I dunno. You have points, but I really think a lot of this is FoTM chasing. Once a few players adapt and counter that will only cause a new ripple effect. Maybe some adjustments are still needed. Sit tight and let's find out? I'm actually excited by it all. A bit off topic, I am curious of the 2 equipment slot thought process. Scouts get a bonus so OK sure, so scouts are using cloaks now. Stealth for what? Getting behind lines to re-hack? We don't need another equipment slot to help with that. Camping objectives? No need for a second slot there either. Dropping uplinks I guess? Gets us in a little easier, I suppose, to then switch over for a drop, then cloak back out or something. If not, then why the extra slot? Why not either cloak OR uplink. If that's the point of it then why not just make it its own unique slot like the grenade. With it being a second slot, the cloak to me seems more an afterthought novelty without a real role. As has already been noted, scouts were already doing without cloaks what scouts are doing now with. There's just an arse-load more of them playing with the new toy. Just feels odd to me. Then again, who the hell am I? lol. - me. to be honest, i never even use the second equipment slot because it often messes me up when i'm quick switching to my cloak, and before the cloak, i didn't even use equipment. i don't really understand the point of the second equipment slot, but if other people like it, then whatever. i guess i can use it to better logi scout when i have to.
yeah it's definitely fotm chasing, and it's a real shame that people would abuse it like that, but hey, we've had worse fotm's than this right? i'm sure that it'll pass over and another much worse fotm will take it's place.
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